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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 30, 2010 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Hate Me & My Uncle>Big River

Well, I'll be the uncool one here and admit I really, really like MAMU > Big River. Separately and together. They both just make me happy. Which probably isn't just uncool, it's really weird, given the lyrics!

Seriously, I do find it fascinating how the GD could take lyrics that are so grim and/or weepy and somehow turn them into such a happy-dance fest. I mean, if you were planning things out - if you were some current band with a marketing-savvy manager and all -- would you DO that?!?

On the other hand, I agree about Mama Tried > Mexicali. Don't hate them; they sort of go in the B category for me. Or B minus, for all the repetition. Of course, I'm an easy grader.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Nov 30, 2010 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Hate Me & My Uncle>Big River

I think Mexicali Blues is an absolutely brilliant song, certainly among the top five compositions by Weir (some might say that's not saying much, but I think he's a good songwriter). Its simplicity is its charm for me. Plus the chords are pretty clever, if you care about that sort of thing.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 30, 2010 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Hate Me & My Uncle>Big River

Most of us think he's a good songwriter. fo sho! (~);-)

As to the chords - are you referring to the opening licks (D-C#-D-Dsus4-D-D(open E)-D) stuff? (kind of pseudo Spanish flavor). Not so easy on acoustic - is it easier to play on an electric?

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 30, 2010 2:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Hate Me & My Uncle>Big River

Unfortunately he had some lame ass lyrics from John Perry Barlow.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 30, 2010 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Hate Me & My Uncle>Big River

I agree. I don't know about Top 5, but it's a smooth little tune, it pulls its weight for sure.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 30, 2010 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Hate Me & My Uncle>Big River

Or if you know about that sort of thing :-) What makes them clever? Serious question. I think a lot of Weir's stuff sounds rather clever, structurally, but I don't really know. For me, it's always more about whether a song grabs me ... just a personal thing ... and Mexicali has a nice sound (IMO), it's just not huge for me. But I'd be really curious to know about the chord thing.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Nov 30, 2010 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Hate Me & My Uncle>Big River

This probably won't be very enlightening, but I'll try anyway.

"Why the chords of Mexicali Blues are clever"
by midnightcarousel

1. The song is in D, but during the verses the chords look like this:

A7 | A7 | C B | Em | A7 | A7 | D | D
A7 | A7 | C B | Em | A7 | A7 | D | D
G | B | Em | Em | A7 | A7 | D | D
G | B | Em | Em | A7 | A7 | D | D

As you can see, for each line the only time an actual D chord is played is at the end. I think that's pretty cool.

2. The G | B | Em transition is sexy.

3. This is more an elaboration of 1 - the fact that the first six measures are a twisted journey towards the tonic (D) means that we are hanging on musically just as we are hanging on lyrically (that may sound like bullshit but I'm serious)

4. From a non-technical viewpoint the chords are just whippy and catchy and cool.

In short, for all the simplicity of the song, it is somehow extremely enticing (and fun to play, I might add). Also, the melodic line "Laid back in an old saloon" has a really nice flow to it (ascending->descending->ascending).

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 30, 2010 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Hate Me & My Uncle>Big River

MC , I tried the StS from 11/20 . It was nice to finally hear Bobby @ 5' . It was O.K. I listened to the rest of the set and I can say I have no regrets leaving early . Franklin's was pretty darn good though (Phil).
And I agree with you on Mexicali . Esp. those '72-'74 versions .

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Poster: truckin52073 Date: Nov 30, 2010 7:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Hate Me & My Uncle>Big River

I'm going to jump on the band wagon with you on this one. These songs never fail to make me feel good and smile. I've especially been diggin' on Big River here lately. Sometimes I just don't have time for the big 2nd set jams. For me, these first set "throw away songs" are sort of a litmus test for me as to whether the band came to play. It's not always the case, but seems to be a pretty good indicator. Any suggestions on hot combos of the two songs? 8/7/82 is a scorcher.

I agree with you as well on the Mexicali thing. By the way, I always enjoy your posts and insights.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 1, 2010 12:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Hate Me & My Uncle>Big River

Thanks. Btw I was lucky enough to be at 8/7/82, and yeah, it really cooks.

Geez, there are so many great MAMU > BRs (other opinions notwithstanding) ... today's TDIH is a wonderful one (12/1/79). And from there it goes to Loser. Can you get any better? (It's late enough in the thread that maybe no one will answer that, LOL, but still. I love all those songs.) Too bad they then then go into a ... cue up music from Jaws ... BRENT song. Noooooo! But other than that, great 1st set (and astonishing 2nd set).

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 30, 2010 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Hate Me & My Uncle>Big River

>Well, I'll be the uncool one here and admit I really, really like MAMU > Big River.

I do too. I like Mama Tried a lot, too.

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Nov 30, 2010 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Hate Me & My Uncle>Big River

I'm with you, I like Mama Tried. It's my mom's ringtone, in fact.

This post was modified by shakeitupnow on 2010-11-30 20:24:35

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 30, 2010 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Hate Me & My Uncle>Big River

That's funny.
It's just really upbeat (despite the lyrics) and carries me along every time. I don't exactly think of Mama Tried as a cowboy tune but I guess it is.